Showing posts with label Baptism Holy Spirit. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Baptism Holy Spirit. Show all posts

Sunday, April 06, 2008

Authoritative Command in Action!! But ...

I had an incredible experience this week that I wanted to share and be honest about. It puzzled me - and it's puzzled Pete too - but it is also kind of encouraging. It began when I finished transcribing Rob's incredible sermon; "The Power of the Authoritative Command - Part 1" and have been considering how wrong I have been and unbiblical to spend time praying for the healing of dear friends like Scott, Pete himself, Barry and so on. I was at work at the hospice and was just taking the rubbish out when I suddenly felt an urge to make an authoritative command for the healing of Scott's eczma.

Rob said;

"An authoritative command is not prayer - and I believe in prayer and pray every day. An authoritative command is not a petition or a request heaven-ward. It is an authoritative command that flows out of your spirit by the anointing of the Holy Spirit. It is an anointed annoucement that releases the power of God's government and demands that circumstances immediately align themselves with God's will".

So I felt an urge to state that I have the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus and that eczma is an abomination marking the wonderful creation of God - that it had no place on Scott's body who has also received the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus. I commanded that the eczma leave him and that the "new suit of skin" that I had seen in heaven in Hong Kong at the "Grace and Glory Conference" be given to him.

I guess anyone can make "commands" to the atmosphere - but what took me by surprise was that I felt the Holy Spirit descend on me in absolute power. It was all I could do to stay standing in the hospice parking - I felt my whole body shaking under the power of God and it was wonderful! I haven't felt that confident that Scott had been healed since when Rob Rufus was speaking at Church of Christ the King in Brighton before "Together on A Mission 2007", he had many of us forward to pray for us. While I was at the front on my knees enjoying God - Rob said; "Someone with a skin condition has been healed!". I went running back to where Scott was sitting on the CCK riser and shouted; "Well?!!?". He hadn't been healed then.

But I had to ring Scott on my mobile as soon as possible to find out if he had been healed. He hadn't. And even worse he hadn't even felt anything of the Holy Spirit upon him.

What puzzled me was the experience of the Holy Spirit that came as a result of my authoritative command (which obviously wasn't that authoritative!). I very much ALWAYS love experiencing God and don't experience Him enough! But why did He come upon me as a result of that command? And why didn't Scott experience God? Or get healed? Did I not have enough faith or did Scott not have enough faith? I am asking these questions genuinely and would appreciate comments, suggestions and thoughts. This is all an extremely new area to me and I wish I could be in Hong Kong so I could ask Rob himself!

I'm going to keep going in this area - but it truly is; "No Well Worn Paths!" but it would be lovely to understand more why God does what He does.

Sunday, January 20, 2008

Are You Giving? Are You Receiving?

When Scott wrote his review of "Together on a Mission 2007" he bemoaned the lack of Dave Holden's contribution to the preaching ministry last year. He had a fair point. I love Dave Holden! He is very practical and down-to-earth in the way he imparts truth but that truth is life-changing. I spent a quiet Sunday afternoon re-visiting some of the past "Together on a Mission" DVD's that I have got in my library and was taken by this point.

It is far too easy to get caught up in the politics of arguing which speaker would be best to speak at a conference but we can forget why conferences are actually of benefit to us. Yes Mark Heath wrote recently that they can be "feasts of the Word" when Mark Driscoll comes to visit. But I prefer to see conferences as Rob Rufus instructed Mobilise in July. They are high points of encountering God - where the opportunity is available to "learn the address of the Holy Spirit". To be able to go back to our homes, towns, cities and nations and remember how we can encounter God in power. Why is that important?

Dave Holden had one answer:



Yes it is vital that we encounter God for our own personal walks with Him. We must get to know Him as "Abba!" - our intimate and loving heavenly Father who has so much to pour out and lavish on us. But we also must get to know Him because there is a lost and needy world out there who are just as desperate to encounter reality. And what greater reality than the Living and awesome God - Creator of the Universe!

Are you receiving the Holy Spirit in power? Are you "be being filled"? If so - are you giving out? Are you ministering the Holy Spirit in power? If not, why not? Am I being filled with the Spirit like a wind filling my sails so I am moving? Am I ministering the Holy Spirit in power? If not, why not?

Thursday, December 20, 2007

Where Do We Look? The Sand or the Horizon?

I was deeply challenged by Pete's recent post on this blog called; "Waging Warfare By Prophecies Given". I have been thinking and wondering about the methodology of writing prophecies down since Jesse Phillips discussed it here. Obviously I don't want to get into a legalistic desire to blog or to blog prophecies, but I do think there is a lot of value in remembering the prophecies God speaks and gives because if we forget them, then we can't fight a fight by them!

I was walking home from work today (trying to preserve the atmosphere, save petrol money and make time for God in one fell swoop!) and I felt God show me a wave lapping up and down the beach somewhat like this;



And this came to my mind;

"As the wave draws back and another wave swells on the horizon, for a period there is momentary nothingness on the beach. You can become obsessed with the nothingness and can spend your life staring at the wet, damp but drying sand and you can develop theologies of the nothingness ...

Or you can lift up your eyes and look to the horizon where the swell is growing and growing and growing and the wave is coming and coming and coming and will break on the beach, bigger than the last, more powerful than the last and far more wide-reaching than the last.

Where will you look? Will you continue to state at the damp but drying sand? Or will you lift your eyes and look to the coming wave?".

Sunday, October 14, 2007

When Were You Last Filled with the Holy Spirit?

I have decided that I am not very subtle when I enthusiastic about someone! Anyone who's been following the blogs for a while will know that I am benefiting hugely from Rob Rufus's teaching and ministry at the moment! But the Bible does talk about proving all things - being overly cautious and cynical is just as wrong and dangerous as accepting teaching without question at all. I have been re-reading Gordon Fee's marvellous "God's Empowering Presence" in preparation for my trip to Hong Kong and was excited to read his exposition on 2 Corinthians 3. Fee's exposition sounds remarkably Rufus-like!!

Fee starts off by writing;

"Paul begins with a contrast between the respective ministries of the two Covenants with "glory" appearing as the dominant motif".

Glory!! Since encountering Rob Rufus at "Together on a Misson 2006" I must confess my concept of the word "glory" was limited to heaven. How wrong can I be?! Fee goes on to write about the Old Covenant glory;

"It was a glory that could not be seen by the original recipients and was in any case intended to fade away".

I have fallen into the trip before that I believe other Christians have also followed in struggling to come to terms with the Scriptural promise that the New Covenant glory is FAR more glorious than the Old! My relationship with the Holy Spirit is so feeble that I have looked back into history at the Israelites who could see the cloud of glory and have been jealous of them. This is un-Scriptural. Gordon Fee (like Rob Rufus) makes the direct connection between the glory of the New Covenant and the Holy Spirit;

"The glory of the New Covenant continues because it is of the Spirit".

This is why the Holy Spirit is not an optional extra! We must - like Kathryn Kuhlman - get to know Him and get to learn how He talks, moves and works. But above all Gordon Fee - like Rob Rufus - emphasises that the Holy Spirit brings a vital element of freedom to us - the New Covenant believers.

"Thus the Spirit brings freedom, the kind of freedom, that allows God's new covenant people to be, as Moses was, in God's very Presence and there to behold the glory of God".

It is wrong to excuse the lack of God's manifest Presence and develop a theology of His omni-presence as that reason for why He is not manifesting Himself! The whole object of the New Covenant is that the veil has been torn in two and we can "walk boldly into the throne room of heaven!". Yes indeed Jesus has promised that He will never leave us or forsake us - but we cannot deny that throughout the Bible there is a distinct difference between God's ominpresence and His manifest Presence. Let us cry like the prophets; "Oh that You would rend the heavens and come down!".

Finally in the footnote Gordon Fee goes on to make an important note;

"Paul's point throughout remains singular; for the Corinthians now to pick up the Law is to retrogress - in this case to be like the very people who still have veils over their hearts because they lack the freedom of the Spirit".

Again pure-Rufus! Paul does not react to the Corinthian's excess by bringing them back into Law! To make such a transition is to "retrogress". Lacking the freedom of the Spirit is to have a veil over their hearts. We must resist the grace-hating spirits at all costs and ensure that the Holy Spirit has complete freedom to come and do what He will when He will in our churches!

It occured to me after reading this chapter in "God's Empowering Presence" - until we can truly believe 2 Corinthians 3:1-4 - that being in the New Covenant truly IS more glorious than the Old then surely we will to a degree always be stuck in Old Covenant mentality and practice and action. And that's not a good thing. Let's get believing the Bible and encountering the Holy Spirit!

So to my original question! Gordon Fee writes of being filled with the Holy Spirit;

"On Ephesians 5:18; Here then is the ultimate imperative in the Pauline corpus - God's people so filled by/with the Spirit's own Presence that they come to know God in all His fullness and reflect the way they live in relationship to one another and God Himself".

As Rob Rufus said there is much MUCH more to being filled with the Holy Spirit than simply being a "half empty cup needing to be filled up to full". The filling of the Holy Spirit means that we can come to know God in all His fullness - His Presence - His glory. When were we last filled with the Spirit!? When did we last allow our sails of faith to be stretched out fully and to feel the wind of the Spirit fill us and take us to places we have never dreamt of!? We don't have to be particularly "holy" or "righteous" to receive Him. As Rob Rufus said - God is looking for yielded vessels not perfect vessels.

Come Holy Spirit!

Wednesday, September 26, 2007

Children - the Ignored Potential in Our Churches!!

Following on from my last post regarding Rolland and Heidi Baker, I was thrilled to receive an email from my friend Don who has had more contact with Heidi's ministry. He wrote this;

"This last February, Heidi spoke at the Awaken the Dawn conference we attended in Fredericksburg, VA. My then six-year-old daughter, Chloe, got to hear and meet her heroine -- she's loved Heidi ever since watching the videos and the "Mama Heidi" video made several years ago about the ministry. Attached is a photo I took of Heidi while she was talking with the little kids, before commissioning them to go through the audience and lay hands on people who needed healing. (There were healings!)".

I was amazed. The "Visions beyond the Veil" book I read yesterday also spoke of the immense power that God can manifest through children. Why is this? I think it's firstly because children are free from cynicism. They have no "horror stories" to hinder their faith and belief in the power of God. If the Bible says that God can heal today and that God can and does and will intervene in society then children will believe that. If the Bible says that when the Holy Spirit comes upon people and they go and lay their hands on the needy that miracles will happen then children will believe that!

So why then in my experience of evangelical churches, are children so frequently consigned to "Sunday School"? Why are we not teaching our children about the power and Presence of God? Why are we not praying for our children to receive the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and to expect to prophesy or to speak in tongues? Why are we not praying for our children to be filled with the Holy Spirit - like wind fills a sail? And then seeing them released among us with their awesome faith to work miracles?

Let it be so soon Lord!

Tuesday, September 25, 2007

Rolland and Heidi Baker

Rob Rufus mentioned the name "Heidi Baker" during one of his sermons and when Rob Rufus mentions someone I am learning to to take notice! Rolland and Heidi Baker are missionaries who run Iris Ministries. Their lives were changed after meeting Jackie Pullinger in Hong Kong - they then went and began to work among the poor. But their ministry was not and is not simply social action. Their ministry has been characterised consistently by the power of God. Their website states;

"Today Rolland and Heidi cry out for a continuation of the visitation of God experienced by the children of H.A. Baker's orphanage in China long ago. That is beginning to happen, and more testimonies are accummulating than can be communicated! May the Word of God spread in power to the remote corners of the world, and may the the poor, the crippled, the lame and the blind, people who have never before tasted the goodness of God, be drawn the King's great banquet!"

Rolland and Heidi Baker's ministry covers 5,000 churches all over Mozambique and into neighboring countries. They care for over 2, 000 children in their orphanages and He is revealing Himself to the children in dreams, trances and visions like I have never dreamt of before. I went into CLC in Birmingham and found a book by their grandfather H A Baker called "Visions Beyond the Veil". I read it on the bus and it affected me profoundly. Baker writes of his work in an orphanage in China and how God powerfully used the children.

Evangelicals are renowned for immediate cynicism and I am sure this post and the ministry of Rolland and Heidi Baker will be no exception. H A Baker himself was obviously aware of the potential for a cynical reaction to what the children reported. He presented six reasons why there is no natural explanation for the experiences of these children;

1. These wonders could not possibly have been the product of the children's natural minds.

2. These spiritual experiences, visions and revelations could not have been the working of the subconcious mind.

3. They cannot be explained by the psychology of mental suggestion from others. We ourselves had never seen such visions, never been in meetings where they had occured and never even read or heard of visions like the ones that were given to these children.

4. They did not get these things from one another.

5. There is no natural explanation for the fact that the content of the visions was in complete harmony and had numerous detail in content.

6. Neither can these experiences be explained as any sort of mental excitement, religious frenzy, natural emotion, nervous state nor any sort of self-produced condition. The Holy Spirit came in power upon normal children in a normal state of mind free from all the conditions just mentioned.

H A Baker is as unapologetic in his expectation for a reviving of the supernatural as is Rob Rufus. He writes;

"If ever there was a living God, if ever there were angels, if ever there was a wonder-working Christ, if the Holy Spirit was ever given, if the Bible is a supernatural revelation from God, then we should expect to experience the trances, visions, revelations and working of the Holy Spirit that were given in China.

They are normal experiences in the supernaturally founded, supernaturally filled and supernaturally directed Church of the New Testament - the only Church the Bible is interested in".

I want to deeply recommend the book. It is extremely short and only took me half an hour to read but the power invested in it exceeds many, many other books that are much longer. The one account I want to draw attention to is an absolutely awe-inspiring prophecy that a young Chinese beggar brought. H A Baker writes;

"This boy had been a beggar ... He had arrived at our doorstep in rags and filthy - in fact with more dirt than clothes ... One night there was an unusually strong sense of the Lord's Presence and heaven seemed very near. The boy I have just spoken about seemed to leave the earth and be caught up into heaven. Ushered into the Presence of the Lord Jesus he fell flat on his face before Him in humble adoration and worship ... the boy sobbed and wept with the deepest grief as the message was given to him; he spoke in a clear strong voice, speaking a sentence or two at a time.

The intonation of the voice, the choice of language, the penetrating power of every word was such that no one who heard it could have doubted that he was speaking by direct supernatural inspiration from God ... the boy said;

"I weep tonight. I am heartbroken. I am in deep sorrow because there are so few people who believe in Me. I planned and prepared heaven for everyone and made room for all the people in the world. I made the New Jerusalem in three enormous cities, one above the other, with plenty of space for all. But they will not believe Me. Those who believe are so very few. I am sad, so very sad.

If you have any friends, tell them to repent quickly. Persuade everyone to believe the gospel as soon as possible. But if people will not listen and will not accept your message the responsibility will not be on you.

Receive the baptism in the Holy Spirit. If you will wait and believe I will baptize you. The devil deceives you by making you think that you will not receive the baptism but wait and seek and I will baptize you and give you the power to cast out demons and to heal the sick. Those who receive the anointing of the Holy Spirit are to preach and bear witness and I will be with you to help and protect you in times of danger.

Tell other churches they too should seek the Holy Spirit. All churches must press forward".

There are several ways to respond to these things as you learn about this ministry and learn about what is ACTUALLY happening in the world today. You can be cynical and err on th eside of caution. Or we can allow these truths to fill our hearts with faith and hunger and desperation that God will come and do the same in our lives, in our churches, in our towns, in our cities, in our nations!

If anyone wants to know more and hear more about Heidi Baker - here are two messages by her from You-Tube. She is speaking at Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship. I noticed that the same glorious thread of grace and glory from Rob Rufus comes through her preaching and speaking. Enjoy (as long as your theology allows you to listen to a woman preaching) ... ;)

Part 1


Part 2

Monday, September 24, 2007

Rob Rufus - "Knowing the Person of the Holy Spirit"

Having an hour or so to spare at my parents before I go to work, I thought I can do no better than to take some notes from Rob Rufus's latest sermon from City Church International, Hong Kong. He has just begun a mighty series called "Knowing the Person of the Holy Spirit - His Names, Titles and Operations" (Sounds kind of Puritan doesn't it?!). So here are the notes from Part 1 preached on the 9th September (I'm typing as I listen);

"The Church in it's purest form was birthed by God in a state of supernatural drunkenness, liberty and freedom and they never were more in the plan, will and pattern of God drunk in the Holy Spirit. As the Church got more and more sober and intellectual and cerebral and intellectual, the Church got more and more out of the pattern and the will of God".

The Church was birthed under the Anointing! Peter preached an ordinary sermon and 3,000 got saved. It isn't how clever or how spiritual we are - it is whether we have God in our midst. If we have a lot of God in our midst then a lot of things take place!

"What the Church calls 'decently and in order', they mean by that is conservatism, the control of man, noone gets saved, no devils come out of people, no one gets miraculously healed, no blind eyes opened, no deaf ears opened, no one is raised from the dead and no one gets excited about Jesus! That is 'decent and in order' - the order of the graveyard".

"We are decently and in order - of the Resurrection Life!".

What's just happened is the message. Last checked - God is in a good mood and He is planning on being in a good mood for the next billion trillion years because of the Cross of Jesus! Why are we wanting to let our lives be soaked and saturated in the Holy Spirit? One of the words speaking of the Holy Spirit is "baptismo". A cloth would be "baptismo" into a dye and the very fabric and substance of the cloth would come out a different colour.

"God wants to "baptismo" us into the glory so we are saturated, immersed, filled with God and wherever we go there is an outflow of the excessive abundance of the Presence of God!"

The more of God coming into your life - two things will happen - 1. You will have an intimacy with God. The word "intimacy" speaks of being "One". Intimacy with God exceeds every other desire and passion in our lives. Burdens and anxiety will lift off you when you are intimate with God. God said; "Son they are trying to get New Testament results through Old Testament methods. I will come through New Testament grace in New Testament power and THEN My people will pray and fast!". Revival has come! It's here! It is not the time to get caught up in the cares and worries of this world. We have been waiting 400 years for the inheritance that is ours! Don't waste this life now!

"We have crossed the Jordan and we are going in! If you are legalistic and stay on the wrong side of the Jordan, your manna is drying up and it's tough! We are no longer wandering in the wilderness eating manna, going around and around mountains! We have replaced desert with vineyards we never sowed, houses we didn't build, land we didn't buy - and milk and honey is ours now!".

In the heart of all this there are lukewarm Christians caught up with worries!

"We need to get away from Christians who have a form of godliness but deny the power!".

Lukewarm Christians who serve when it is convinient! So firstly we must know the Holy Spirit because of INTIMACY - secondly because of INFLUENCE. The Holy Spirit will give you influence. "3, 000 saved" - that is influence! There is an influence coming from another realm of glory! That is quite different from dry evangelism knocking on doors and trying to get people converted.

"New Testament evangelism is that you get drunk in the Holy Spirit, get so free in God with an influence of the Presence of God and THEN people's hearts are touched!".

Speaking to over 20, 000 people every week through our website. That is influence! Preaching and speaking on God Channel - that is favour! Shut the TV and the cell phone off and go and get into His Presence! This series on the Holy Spirit will be a 6 to 8 part series as we head towards our Glory and Grace Conference. Some of you have felt the Presence of God and not sure what to do with it.

"This isn't for special people or special moments - this is your daily inheritance and your daily privilidge. This isn't through the Father or the Son - this is through the Spirit and He is equal to the Father and the Son!".

There is only one God but three distinct Persons - the most transcendent and mysterious doctrine. You don't have to understand it!

"There are too many people thinking instead of drinking!".

The more you know the Holy Spirit, the more you fellowship with the Holy Spirit - He will reveal Jesus to you and you will have access to the Father and you will have encounters with heaven through the member of the Godhead on the earth. If you want encounters with Jesus it isn't about how much you do or do not sin, or pray or do not pray. This is the New Covenant - not the Old Covenant!

"The Holy Spirit is not third in importance - His function is third but His importance is not! He is a Person, not a power and not a force".

If the Holy Spirit is a power we will want to get hold of it BUT if the Holy Spirit is a Person then we will want Him to get hold of us. If the Holy Spirit is a power then we will want it to accomplish our will and whim BUT the Holy Spirit is a Person then we will want to surrender to Him in awe and wonder. If the Holy Spirit is power then we will feel superior and proud we have it BUT if the Holy Spirit is a Person then in His great love the Third Person of the Trinity has chosen to dwell within us.

One of the greatest workers of miracles in the last century was Kathryn Kuhlman and she said; "We do not use the Holy Spirit - He uses us. He is not looking for perfect or holy vessels - He is looking for yielded vessels fully surrendered to Him".

That is what holiness is - yielding to Him. The Father plans everything, the Son pays for everything at the Cross and every good gift comes from the Father. (James 1:16) "Comes from the Father" but it must come through the Son.

"You can only experience it when you walk in the Spirit and know the Holy Spirit. If you don't know the Holy Spirit you cannot receive the Father's blessing because they don't know the Holy Spirit".

Evangelical conservative legalistic Christians do not know the Holy Spirit because He must be walked with in daily occurances. We want to talk about His titles and His Names so we can get insight into what He is like and what He does so we can get to know Him.

He is known as the Holy Spirit - He is a Spirit who is holy. He will always treat you in a pure way - never in an abusive way. He will always treat you with purity, integrity - He is moral - never legalistic. Demonic spirits that the New Age operate by are lying spirits that promise power. Demons make people sick and so when psychics pray for you the demons will lift off and you can feel a measure of healing. The Western world is opening up to the New Age in an unprecedented way. The Holy Spirit is a Holy Spirit - a lovely, wonderful Spirit of God.

(Psalm 51:11) "Do not take Your Holy Spirit from me". David understood that without the Holy Spirit - he was finished. Many Christians today wouldn't even know the Holy Spirit had gone if He left!

Without the Holy Spirit, finite demons will get you addicted to all kinds of darkness but the Holy Spirit promises He will never leave us or forsake us. If Jesus won't leave us or forsake us then neither will the Holy Spirit because He is the revealer of Jesus to us!

"Much of the church will tell you that the way to a clear conscience is to "DO". Rubbish! It hasn't worked for centuries! That makes the people of God more condemned! (Hebrews 9) - You don't get a clear conscience by doing good and serving! You get a clear conscience by the power of God and the New Covenant".

"A perfect Saviour - a perfect sacrifice at the Cross perfectly satisfied the Father on our behalf and a perfectly satisfied Father gives you and me a perfectly clear conscience".

Our conscience is based on the eternal finished work of the Cross. The Father looks at me and says "Conscience clear!". Too many Christians don't have clear consciences because they don't believe the debt has been paid. There were people today in this room who were sitting passively watching people get blessed and hoping that one day they would be holy enough to encounter God - that is Old Covenant thinking!

"Legalistic self-righteous arrogance says we have a clear conscience because of what we do!".

The Father gives the Holy Spirit to people who don't deserve Him but He will give the Spirit in abundance! (Luke 11:13). He is also called the Spirit of God! (Genesis 1:1-3). Once the Spirit of God moves in your life things will take on form and order and beauty and light. (Romans 8:14). He is called the Spirit of the Lord! These different titles mean different things! (Judges 6:34) "The Spirit of the Lord came upon Gideon". When the Spirit came upon Gideon - 300 men destroyed an army of 3, 000.

"The Spirit of the Lord comes on people like Samson and Gideon and you to defeat overwhelming numbers that oppose you. To stand here and believe we can touch China and influence millions of people around the earth because we believe He is the Spirit of the Lord. Numbers and opposition and sieges and mountains cannot hold us in IF we walk in the Spirit of the Lord!"

It MUST be the Spirit of the Lord coming upon you that will defeat the devil. You cannot face overwhealming numbers without the Spirit of the Lord.

He just wants to be with you because you have been justified freely through the blood of Jesus Christ! He can fellowship with you! You can't stop doing things wrong unless the Spirit of the Lord empowers you! It is stupid to say "Get holy and then He will come!". He WANTS to come to weak, sinning, demon-oppressed Christians and He will come upon you and you will rise up and face overwhelming numbers of opposition!

It is not enough to get baptised in the Spirit and talk in tongues. You have to get to know the One who empowers you to speak in tongues. We must want to know the Spirit of God who drives out demons and who leads us. We want to know the Spirit of the Lord who came on Gideon. We want to know this Mighty One who will raise up a standard against the Evil One! You can deal with the Mideanite army - 300 will chase them and hack them to pieces! (2 Corinthians 3:17) - "Where the Spirit of the Lord is - THERE is liberty!".

"The Holy Spirit never tries to manipulate or control you with guilt".

Where He is - there is liberty. When you go into churches and find self-obsessed and analytical Old Testament thinking Christians, that is a demonic spirit.

"Never try to fight a man or woman operating by the Spirit of the Lord! Never try and criticise any man or woman operating in the Spirit of the Lord even if their doctrine is wrong. Watch what happens to the opponents and critics who come against those operating in the Spirit of the Lord - it is fun to watch! Life gets very exciting when you know the Spirit".

"(Ephesians 5:18) - Present tense! "Be BEING filled!". It is no use being baptised in the Spirit at the end of the Second World War and spoke in tongues for 3 minutes! Be BEING filled with the Holy Spirit. Many think of an empty glass being filled with water - that is static and boring! That isn't what the Greek is saying! "I'm half full now I am full".

The language is of a big sail of a yacht being FILLED with wind! Christians in a move of the Spirit of God can sit motionless! But others lives are moving forward and being empowered! God wants to bless but they need their sail up - to be BEING filled! The sail is faith that because of the grace of God He can't help Himself but bless us!".

Marriages get changed! How to get your wife to treat you like a King - treat her like a Queen! There are so many things to talk about the Holy Spirit and we are heading towards the Grace and Glory Conference! Sails are catching wind and moving! No more talk of "trying to pray for the sick". When your sails are full and you want to pray for the sick, you can't help but pray! We will see holiness and revival when the sails are up and being filled! The unsaved don't have sails - they don't know Jesus or the Holy Spirit!

"We are the people of the Holy Spirit! We are His ambassadors!".

Every person on the planet soon will have this One who we are talking about poured out upon them! The pneuma of God - the breath of God will take you to more intimacy - more influence on the people of the earth.

Monday, September 03, 2007

The Quotes of Dr Lloyd-Jones they DIDN'T want you to find!!

I was amazed last night in re-reading through Volume 8 of Dr Martyn Lloyd-Jones monumental series in Romans. The classic mistake to try and establish what Dr Lloyd-Jones thought and taught on the Holy Spirit is to try and go to texts such as the book of Acts. However a great bulk of his glorious teaching on the baptism of the Holy Spirit is to be find in Romans 8:15;

"For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry "Abba, Father!".

In writing about this text, Dr Lloyd-Jones takes several sermons to establish the direct connection between the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and assurance of salvation. He begins by establishing the Puritan argument that assurance of salvation is not something that occurs automatically with conversion. If it was, then why do so many Christians experience severe doubts about their salvation? He then establishes his belief that the main effect of the Baptism or Sealing with the Holy Spirit is to bring the most wonderful assurance of salvation possible. Here are a selection of key quotes that outline his most wonderful teaching on this;

1. The Baptism of the Spirit is Essentially Experiential!

Dr Lloyd-Jones writing and preaching makes it wonderfully clear that as Pentecostal/Charismatics we should not be ashamed to underline the vibrant, awesome experiential nature of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. I was challenged by Bryn Jones' editorial in the September/October 1976 Restoration Magazine. He wrote;

"We dedicate this issue of Restoration to contribute to the stirring of our faith for a noisy, emotional, powerful, corporate, Christ-honouring baptism with the Holy Spirit for God's people. Just as it should be".

Dr Lloyd-Jones would not have any problem with this. He wrote;


The profoundest experience that a man can ever know! Dr Lloyd-Jones also argued that this awesome experience can come outside of the Word of God. The quote is here. And again he emphasises:

"The whole object of the Sealing of the Spirit is to give us certainity about our inheritance. It is an earnest, a foretaste of good things to come. It is essentially experimental".

2. Fear isn't an Excuse!

It seems to me that the main factor in arguing against the vibrancy of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is fear. Fear of excess. Fear of Pentecostalism. Fear of moving out of the confines of the Word of God. Fear has been something that I have been familiar with again and again in my church upbringing. I have heard it preached from the pulpit that above all things we must beware of heresy! We must be orthodox! Dr Lloyd-Jones was aware of these arguments yet he had no sympathy with holding back because of fear.


"To refuse anything that is offered in the Word of God because you are afraid of certain possible consequences is a most grievious sin and it will undoubtedly receive the punishment it deserves. The way to face this problem is not to turn your back upon it; it is to be clear as to the difference between the true and the false. Because there is the real danger of false experiences, you must not shut out all experiences".

He goes on to argue that such teachers and preachers who are characterised by fear need only look at the Word of God - that is our standard!

"Why should any be guilty of such a traversty? I have already given the explanation. It is their fear of excesses. To put it quite bluntly they are so afraid of Pentecostalism that they are driven to such exegesis and I suggest that they are thereby guilty of "quenching the Holy Spirit". Non-experimental! Look at the 2nd chapter of Acts!".

Ironically much of my growing up was characterised not only by such fear but also a respect for Dr Lloyd-Jones. Only I never heard these quotes! This isn't something optional according to Dr Lloyd-Jones. This is a matter of refusing and ignoring something that the Word of God makes plain for us! How do we compare to the experiences within the Word of God?

"Every Christian should always be seeking the best and the highest. We should never be content with anything less than what is described as possible to the Christian in the New Testament".

Dr Lloyd-Jones wrote again in his sermon on Romans 12;

"One of the greatest dangers it always seems to me is to interpret the Scriptures in light of our experience instead of testing our experience by the teaching of Scripture".

It seems ironic that one of the greatest accusations against Pentecostal/Charismatics is that we ignore the Word of God for experience. Yet on the contrary the majority of Pentecostal/Charismatic teaching on the Baptism of the Spirit seems to take the Word of God more seriously than those who neglect experience for fear of excess.

3. Our Witness to the World is at Stake!

I was deeply appreciative of Dr Lloyd-Jones emphasis that what is at stake is the Church's mission to the world. Christians who are lacking in assurance, lacking in joy unspeakable and full of glory, devoid of power are not - in short - very good witnesses to the world. He wrote;

"Seek a knowledge of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ. Seek Him! Say that you want to know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings! Desire knowledge of God and of Christ in this intimate manner and the knowledge of His love "shed abroad in your hearts". That is what we are to seek! Seek to be holy, seek God's glory! Do not merely desire a comfortable experience but say to yourself "apart from this I can never be a true witness. I cannot witness truly for Him anymore than these disciples could before the Day of Pentecost ... say to yourself "Is it conceivable that I can be a witness without that power and is not it's absence perhaps the reason why I am such a poor witness?". Seek His glory - not your own!".

Dr Martyn Lloyd-Jones could never be accused of being a classic Pentecostal/Charismatic teacher who fits the typical stereotype. He was a preacher who took the Word of God extremely seriously as well as taking the history of the church seriously. I was blessed beyond words to find he included quote after quote from theologians, writers, preachers down through the age who taught similiarly to him. Let us allow these quotes to fuel us and inspire us. To come to the risen and ascended Lord Jesus and ask Him for this experience of power - this encounter with the risen Lord - is highly Biblical! It is every Christians rightful inheritance and the "promise is for you"!

Thursday, August 30, 2007

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit Brings a Revelation of Christ!!

I found this marvellous testimony in Jonathan Edwards Works where he wrote of an incredible encounter with the Holy Spirit. It really highlights for me Ern Baxter's point that the key result of the Baptism of the Spirit is to make plain the present and continuing work of Jesus Christ.

Just reading it made me long that all believers may experience this!

"I had a view, that for me was extraordinary, of the glory of the Son of God as Mediator between God and man, and His wonderful, great, full, pure and sweet grace and love and meek and gentle condecension. This grace that appeared so calm and sweet appeared also great above the heavens. The Person of Christ appeared ineffably excellent, with an excellency great enough to swallow up all thought and conception - which continued as near as I can judge about an hour; which kept me the greater part of the time in a flood of tears and weeping aloud.

I felt an ardency of soul to be, what I know not otherwise how to express, emptied and annihilated, to lie in the dust and to be full of Christ alone, to love Him with a holy and pure love; to trust in Him, to live upon Him, to serve and follow Him, and to be perfectly sanctified and made pure with a divine and heavenly purity".

(Reference: Jonathan Edwards - "Works - Volume 1" - Banner of Truth (1961) - (pxvii, p299f).

Wednesday, August 29, 2007

"Baptism of the Holy Spirit" Paper by Jesse Phillips!

I am tremendously excited that my friend from the US - fellow charismatic blogger Jesse Phillips - has condensed his thesis from SG Pastors College into a workable and helpful set of notes on the Baptism of the Holy Spirit.

It is available here.


While the initial thesis is of enormous interest to many of us who are interested in debating the "when" and "what" of this important doctrine, Jesse recognised and wrote that the length of the paper may have put some off reading it. The material is now condensed into 5 pages and is immensely readable.


I do urge any who have an interest in the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and are perhaps wondering; "Did I receive when I believed?" to go and make use of this free resource. What better reward for Jesse's hard work than to know that many Christians have come into their rightful and free inheritance by receiving the Baptism of the Spirit?!

Friday, August 10, 2007

"A Fresh Touch" - July 1982

Here is another gem from the past that I have dug up. It emphasises the urgent need that we do not rest on our pneumatological laurels simply because we have received the baptism of the Holy Spirit. We must press on deeper into the glory and Presence of God.

“A Fresh Touch from God!” – July 1982

This is a constant need! We can go on in our old ways, relying upon the pattern of established habit rather than the spontaneity of resurrection life and power. Now there is nothing necessarily wrong with habit. There are good habits, even excellent habits. But sometimes a regular practice can degenerate into a formal repetition of a scheduled duty, rather than a joyful experience of a phase of our walk with Jesus.

Therein lies the clue. Much of the travelling along the dusty road of Galilee and Judea must have had the potential of being wearisome, tiring and quite literally dry! But the One the disciples travelled with made all the difference.

This truth about the need for a fresh touch from God appears in the Word in many ways. For example, the manna had to be gathered fresh daily except on the Sabbath or it “went off” (Exodus 16:20). The lamps in the tabernacle had to be “kept burning continually” (Leviticus 24:1, 2). The showbread had to be set out before the Lord regularly (Leviticus 24:8). The disciples filled with the Spirit on the Day of Pentecost (Acts 2) were filled again (Acts 4:31) and again (Acts 13:52 cf Acts 9:17 and 13:9 with Ephesians 5:18). To get a fresh touch from God we need a fresh meeting with God as Elijah discovered (1 Kings 18:46; 19:3, 5, 7 ff).

It may, indeed usually will involve revelation of our own need as Isaiah found (Isaiah 6). Paul expressed the necessity of “pressing on towards the mark” (Philippians 2:7-16).

One thing is clear; God is willing to touch us. Just as Jesus often asked sick people, “What is it that you would have me do for you?” so the Lord in effect asks us the same question daily. His mercies are new every morning (Lamentations 3:22, 23). Let us accept a new delivery!

Apart from a daily renewal, however there are special seasons of seeking God and receiving a fresh touch. It is important from time to time to set aside a longer period when we can seek His face and receive a fresh touch. Remember what has often been said about the experience of the Holy Spirit; “One baptism, many fillings, constant anointing”.

Saturday, August 04, 2007

The Experience of Pentecost is For Us!

I was searching through some old magazines that I religiously kept when I was growing up and I found this most illuminating and encouraging article. It's as true today as it was then and it brings a simple, yet challenging insight on the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

The experience of Pentecost must be a very important matter, for it is promised in each of the 4 gospels (Matthew 3:11, Mark 1:8, Luke 3:16, John 1:33) and the Lord Jesus Christ repeated this promise before His Ascension (Luke 24:49; Acts 1:5, 8). In those words He not only promised power but He warned the disciples not to witness until they were “endued with power from on high”.

Now there are 5 basic questions that we must ask about the experience of Pentecost. They are “what?”, “whom?”, “how?”, “why?” and “when?”.

1. What?

What is the experience of Pentecost? The Holy Spirit is a Person and He is God. He does several things in us and to us and for us. Some of these things may be separated by many years, though they should occur close together. He convicts us of sin, He regenerates, He comes to us and He clothes us with power. This “clothing” is the experience of Pentecost. It is the baptism with the Holy Spirit. Some prefer other terms and I will not quarrel with them. I use this phrase because God does. Great Bible teachers all down the ages have used this Scriptural phrase. For example, early Puritans such as John Gill, who said of the disciples, “They were to be baptised with the Holy Spirit and receive such power and courage thereby as to bear a noble testimony for Christ”. Likewise Thomas Goodwin who wrote, “There can be no experience superior to or more wonderful than the baptism of the Spirit except to be in Heaven itself”. To these we could add such names as C H Spurgeon, R A Torrey, A B Simpson, Andrew Murray, LaMarechale, Dr D M Lloyd-Jones and many others.

The Baptism in the Holy Spirit is a divine provision of spiritual power, promised in the Bible by God for the purpose of being His witnesses.

Dr Billy Graham said, “We need to learn once again what it means to be baptised in the Holy Spirit”.

Dr Martyn Lloyd-Jones said, “There is nothing, I am convinced that so quenches the Spirit as the teaching which identifies the baptism of the Holy Spirit with regeneration”.

But if the experience of Pentecost is the clothing with power we must next ask …

2. Whom?

For whom is this experience intended? The prophecy makes it plain (Joel 2:28, 29). It is for all flesh. Peter stresses this in Acts 2:39 where he says, “The promise is for you, and for your children, and for all who are afar off; as many as the Lord our God shall call”. This is precisely the note struck in such passages as Isaiah 44:3 and John 7:37-39. It is not for special people but for all God’s people. We are ALL to be witnesses. We ALL need power. This being so, the next question is …

3. How?

How do we receive the experience of Pentecost? God has made the promise but we have to be in the right place. The reluctance is not on God’s side (see Luke 11:13). The necessary stages are:

a. Be converted which includes repentance, faith and baptism in water (Mark 16:16; Acts 2:38, 41).
b. Cleanse your heart (Acts 2:38, 1 John 1:7, 9). If you are seeking the baptism in the Holy Spirit at or near conversion as in the New Testament, this stage is taken care of. But if some time has elapsed you need to make sure that your heart is right before God.
c. Consecrate your life (Acts 5:32, Romans 12:1, 2).
Claim the promise by seeking God in earnest, persistent prayer. (Acts 2:39, Luke 11:13).
d. Continue to walk in obedience to the Lord (Ephesians 5:18, Galatians 5:16).
e. Be sure to join a Bible-believing church.

It is important not to give up. Luke 11:9-10 literally says, “Go on asking, go on seeking, go on knocking”. Some say “But I have done that and still have not received” so we need to ask …
4. Why?

Why do some find it hard to receive? There may be various hindrances. Our hearts are very deceitful and we may be deceiving ourselves into thinking that we are all right. Some of the more obvious hindrances are;

a. Sin (Psalm 66:18, Isaiah 59:1, 2).
b. Lack of consecration and obedience (Acts 5:32).
c. Wrong teaching which prevents us from a whole hearted trust in God (Gal 3:1-3).
d. Fear, of getting the wrong thing etc (Luke 11:11-13).
e. Pride, which makes us pretend we do not need anything more in spite of God’s promise. Or pride which prevents us asking for prayer (1 Peter 5:5-6).
f. Impatience. Perhaps we have been spoiled as children we expect our parents to wait on us. We think God should give us anything we ask at once, and we have a grudge against God if He does not. That is sin (Romans 9:19, 20; Job 42:6).
g. Wrong motives. Seeking self-satisfaction or self-glory. (James 4:3).
h. Looking for the wrong thing – feelings, emotions, sinlessness, etc.
i. Looking in the wrong direction – at man. Seeking for some “big name” or “perfect man” to pray with us. (Isaiah 2:22).
j. No real thirst, no earnestness in seeking (John 7:37; Jeremiah 29:13).
k. No desire to witness (Acts 1:8).
l. No faith, or trust in God that He will do it. (Isaiah 7:9b; Hebrews 11:16, James 1:6, 7).

But if, as far as we can possibly see, we have put things right and sought God, the next question is,

5. When?

When may we receive?

a. At conversion possibly, but this is very rare. It did not happen with the disciples. In fact the only real case is that of Cornelius in Acts 10, and there were special reasons for that Peter’s prejudice had to be overcome and Cornelius was a God-fearer and was already earnestly seeking the Lord.

b. The normal pattern is repent and believe, be baptised in water, receive the gift of the Holy Spirit (another expression for the same experience) and commit yourself to the local church.

J N Darby wrote, “That a person may be born again and not have received the Holy Ghost is perfectly certain according to the Scriptures”. C H Macintosh and William Kell (Brethren writers) expressed similar views. If you are a believer and have been baptised in water then you are candidate for the baptism in the Holy Spirit. In a number of cases in the Scriptures after prayer and laying on of hands (see Acts 8:15-17; 9:17; 19:6). This is often a help to many people.
Your pastor and/or elders are available to render this service. But remember the Lord Jesus Christ is the One who baptises in the Holy Spirit. Beware of allowing just anyone to do this. Only those sent by God should normally render this ministry “Receive ye the Holy Ghost”, “Be filled with the Holy Spirit”.

Sunday, May 27, 2007

A Transcript from Life in the Spirit Conference about the Baptism in the Holy Spirit

I still remain quite unsure about the use of the term "continuationist" and concerned about it's relationship to "functional cessationism". Just because one believes the gifts of the Spirit continue, implies nothing about heeding the Scriptural command to "earnestly pursue ... especially". Furthermore I am trying to establish the implications of forming church ecclesiology around the gifts of the Spirit while abandoning the baptism of the Spirit.

With that in mind I present a section of a transcript from a Question and Answer Session held at the Life in the Spirit Conference 1997 at Westminster Chapel. It was between Dr R T Kendall and Dr Michael Eaton and is very insightful and helpful. PS: The photo has nothing to do with the conference or the transcript. I found it by chance and it made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up. There are some charismatic heavyweights there! R T Kendall, Rodney Howard-Browne, Reinhard Bonke and Rick Joyner.

Ben White: This is not a set up because I am a committee member to get things going but this is a genuine question. I wonder what our brothers think about the subject of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, or with the Holy Spirit. To many people it appears to be unclear because there are still different points of view and I wonder if they have any thoughts about that and whether it is something that needs resolving or explaining further in these days.

Chair: Yes, when I was at Spring Harvest a couple of years ago, we had nine options from which we could chose to teach so it's ... there is definately some confusion.

R T Kendall: I would like to speak first in order to give it to Michael. (*laughter*). He has written a book on this subject so he's really the one to answer it. But I will take this brief moment to say that this is the first time Michael and I have ever been on the same platform before in this way. He is a member of Westminster Chapel - I have known him about 20 years - he is a close friend and I have had him preach here a number of times - but to be together like this, it is the first time and it is a pleasure to be here. I have said (I am sure down the road I will find exceptions to what I am saying right now) but he and I probably have the greatest reciprocity of theological views of any two people I know. I am sure that there are some people who would agree with him more than I do and vice versa. And I am sure we have some private disagreements on this or that - but generally speaking and certainly when it comes to soteriology - what you heard this morning - it is just a privilidge to be with Michael. But now for the question of the baptism of the Holy Spirit - I have got my views. But he's the expert so over to you. (*laughter*).

Michael Eaton: Well I think the important thing with regard to the subject is for us to agree on a kind of method as to how you get the answer. When you have any kind of theological question - how do you find the answer? And I think with any kind of question, the first thing you do is a kind of survey of the biblical material from which you will get the answer. I think this is very important with regards to the baptism of the Spirit - you will find various books on the subject which deal with one or two verses - I can think of one book, well-known - you will probably know it and it expounds Ephesians 5:18 and 1 Corinthians 12:13 - and in my opinion neither of those two verses deal with the baptism of the Holy Spirit! So I think one of the first things one has to do is to survey your material. When you do that - you will find that a lot of terms are interchangable. Think of Acts 1 and 2 for a moment. Jesus said, "I am going to pour out My Holy Spirit" and the word "outpoured" is used. "You shall receive power" - 'receiving power' is used. "When the Spirit has come upon you, you will be My witnesses" - 'filled' is used. Peter said, "that which He has poured out" - again 'outpoured' is used. So you probably have half a dozen terms that refer to the same thing. And there are about ten of those terms; "baptism - filling - sealing". It's not difficult to show that they are interchangable terms. They don't all exactly have the same meaning but they all refer to the one outpouring of the Spirit.

When you gather all of the references on the subject, they are all demonstrably interchangeable and dealing with the same thing. You have Jesus' predictions of the baptism of the Holy Spirit in Matthew 3, Mark 1, Luke 3. You have the teaching of John in John 14, 15, 16, 20. You have Romans 5:5, Romans 8:16, and Galatians 4. When you collect the whole material of the Spirit and you sort of know it is dealing with one and the same thing, yuo then ask of the whole range of material certain questions.

a. What is the outpouring of the Spirit? b. Is it identical to regeneration - to being born again? c. how do people come into such a level of blessing? d. how does it relate to gifts of the Holy Spirit?

You sort of set your questions up and you answer the questions from the passages you have surveyed. When you do that - I can't do it here - but the answers come up something like this.

a. What is the outpouring of the Spirit? The baptism of the Holy Spirit is vibrantly experimental. It is something concious - it cannot possibly take place unknown and unseen. It is rivers of living water, it is a foretaste of heaven. You cannot have a foretaste without knowning about it! It is receiving power - you cannot receive power without knowing about it! It is joy unspeakable and full of glory - you cannot have joy unspeakable without knowing about it! It is vibrantly experimental!

b. Is it identical to regeneration - to being born again? The answer is "No". The disciples were not born again in Acts chapter 2. Jesus wasn't born again when the Spirit was poured out on Him in Luke 4. Is it the new birth? No. The new birth is not vibrantly experimental. It can take place subconciously. It is not necessarily a feeling. The descriptions of the two are different.

What is it then? Is it tongues or the gifts of the Spirit? No. It is a mistake to talk as though the baptism of the Spirit is tongues. That is a mistake. Is it a gift of holiness as the Holiness Movement has said? No not really. What is it? Well I would say that it is a sealing of sonship - it is an empowering for service that comes by being sealed for sonship - it is liberty and freedom. It is calling God, "Abba! Father!". It is lubrication - flow and ease in ministering for the Lord. How does it come? Well often in the New Testament they would believe and they got the liberty straight away. Does it have to come straight away? People would be prayed for as Paul would pray for people in Acts 8.

So you see you answer the questions. I am concerned about method. You establish your range of Scriptures and you take your questions to that whole range of Scriptures - and then you get your answers. I would think it is mainly the sealing of sonship. It is an intense experience and assurance that you are a child of God.

R T Kendall: Can it happen more than once?

Michael Eaton: I believe that - yes.

~ End of Transcript ~

Saturday, February 17, 2007

"Receving the Baptism of the Holy Spirit" - Terry Virgo - Stoneleigh Bible Week 1999

I hope this will prove to be a helpful seminar – life-changing and for many of us a time when we will have a fresh encounter with God and even know what it is to be baptised with the Spirit for ourselves personally. I certainly don’t want this just to be a teaching thing only in terms of explanation though I do believe that explanation is very important for us in terms of being comfortable to come and receive from God. I don’t think it’s enough for us to simply be in the general atmosphere and hope that perhaps we are touched by it. It is much more profitable to understand what we are doing, come to God and receive from God.

So if you have your Bible would you like to turn to Acts chapter 1. I’m going to read just the opening few verses. This is Luke’s introduction. You remember having read the Gospel which we call “Luke” he refers back to that;

“The first account which I composed Theophilus about all that Jesus Christ began to do and teach until the day which He was taken up after He had, by the Holy Spirit, given orders to the apostles whom He had chosen. To these He also presented Himself alive after His suffering by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of 40 days and speaking of the things concerning the kingdom of God. Gathering them together He commanded them not to leave Jerusalem but to wait for what the Father had promised which He said, “You heard of from Me for John baptised with water but you shall be baptised with the Holy Spirit not many days from now”.

So when they had come together they were asking Him saying, “Lord is it at this time that You are restoring the kingdom to Israel?”. He said to them, “It is not for you to know the times and epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority but you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, Judea, Samaria and even to the remotest part of the earth”. After He had said these things He was lifted up while they were looking on and a cloud received Him out of their sight”.

Let’s just pray.

“Father we thank You so much for Your desire to give to us the Holy Spirit. We acknowledge our great need of Him, our great desire to be filled by the Spirit at all times and Jesus we thank You for Your clean instructions here that Lord, Your early apostles here should wait for this clothing with power. So now Lord Jesus we look to You. We ask You Lord that You would come to us afresh. Holy Spirit we invited You to be our teacher now. We pray that You will take hold of these things and really Lord, quicken our faith, our expectation and our understanding. Bless us with Your truth, Lord we pray. Meet with many of us this afternoon so that it might be a memorable occasion when Your Spirit comes into many lives we pray. We ask it Father in Jesus’ Name. Amen”.

I believe that it is important for us to do a seminar on receiving the Spirit because we want to be a Spirit-filled community and in recent years we have enjoyed quite a flood of the Spirit. We have been singing songs like, “There’s a river” and we have been very aware of the coming of the Spirit associated with the Toronto church and that whole manifestation but sometimes that has left people with an experience but not quite clear about what they did experience if any. Sometimes they have been slightly bewildered about the whole thing because it has been very outward and sometimes with not much biblical teaching going with it. Many of us have been tremendously blessed but we are not quite sure where we are. Sometimes even people are coming on Alpha who have not really not yet closed the deal with Jesus, and really know that they are saved, have had the Spirit of God touch them. Sometimes people have even fallen under the power of the Spirit who have said, “Well I am not even a Christian yet” – they have just been to Alpha and felt the Presence of God there and there have been these different manifestations and often that has left people saying, “Does that mean I have been baptised in the Holy Spirit? Does that mean I have had that experience?”. Well it is important for us to know where we are.

Also during this period there has been a lot of blessing from the ministry of John Wimber in particular. Of course what came out from Toronto was very identified with the movement and Wimber’s stance. Actually John Wimber’s stance was that you received everything at conversion. In that way, strangely John although he was such a charismatic figure, theologically he stood on the same ground as evangelical brothers who believe that you have received everything at conversion and John would teach that the Spirit is received at conversion totally and later there would come a release of the Spirit – that was the language that John would use. A sort of “time-bomb” doctrine that He is with you and later on will explode but effectively you have received everything. So you find that there is a drift there, people have been wondering where are we, have we received the Spirit, is there more for us? Many of us, certainly we who organise this conference, were affected by the charismatic movement of the 60’s and 70’s when having been Christians for some time we subsequently heard about the coming of the Spirit, the gifts of the Spirit. Someone laid hands on us and we came into a new dimension speaking with tongues etc so it is important for us to know where we are so that we can be confident about the doctrine.

Doctrinal Narrative of Acts.
I want in a moment to take you through some Scriptures to help you see where we are coming from, what is my basis for expecting that we should receive the Spirit and I will be taking you through what happened particularly in the book of Acts. Now some people would say that you mustn’t use the book of Acts particularly for doctrine because Acts is narrative and historical – it is not theological statement like the Epistles. But the fact is that in the Gospels the outpouring of the Spirit is anticipated. Jesus talks about the fact that He has come to spread fire on the earth but He says that He is constrained or shut in until He has gone through His own personal baptism which is speaking of His death and all that He would endure. He had come to give the Spirit! John the Baptist introduced Jesus. He said, “He is the One who will baptise you with the Holy Spirit and with fire”. So the Gospels continually talk about the future aspect of the Spirit’s coming. Jesus in John 14, 15, 16 says that the Spirit will come. It will be better for you even that I go away so that the Spirit can come. You will find that the Gospels continually are looking forward to the coming of the Spirit. Meanwhile the Epistles take for granted the fact that the Christians have already had that experience – they have had the Spirit so when Paul writes his letters for instance to Galatians or Ephesians he knows that they have already had the experience of the Spirit coming upon them.

So they are looking back to an experience that has taken place whereas the Gospels are looking forward to an experience that will take place. We desperately must get into the book of Acts to see how the Spirit was actually given. If we don’t study the book of Acts we have no biblical framework for seeing how the Spirit was actually poured out upon Christians. It is important for us to look at the actual experience of those Christians and to build a theology around what God did, what God said, what the apostles said to them and how the people received. It is the context where we learn these things. For any of you who have perhaps come through a teaching background that has said, “No, no it is only the Epistles that teach”, we just need to notice that one of the Epistles says this (in 2 Timothy 3:16); “All Scripture is given by inspiration (could be translated ‘God-breathed’) and is profitable for … doctrine”. All Scripture is profitable for doctrine, not just the explicit teaching passages. All Scripture is good for teaching. We mustn’t dismiss the book of Acts somehow and again in 1 Corinthians 10, Paul writing about the history of Israel says, “All these things happened to them as an example and were written down for our instruction”. So history passages do provide instruction and it is a very limited view that says you mustn’t look at Acts for teaching because the Bible itself says – hey, you look at everything for teaching. So it is important that we become comfortable with that approach.

Foreseen in the Old Testament.
Just one more thing before we get into the book of Acts, namely that the concept of receiving power goes right back into the Old Testament. The passage I just read to you from Acts 1:8 where Jesus says to the apostles, now you wait until you receive power – that wasn’t a new concept! It wasn’t as though they said, “What on earth does that mean?”. What could such a thing mean? They were good Jewish guys and they knew their Bibles and they would have known that back in the Old Testament the Spirit frequently came “upon” people. So for instance you would find that the Spirit came upon Gideon and Gideon together with many of the other Judges was transformed by the Spirit coming “upon” him. That is how he performed his ministry. It would appear from Judges 6 that naturally and temperamentally Gideon was not a leader-type. He was a fearful man – He felt his own limitations and then the Spirit came upon Gideon and he arose as a great national charismatic leader. He was anointed to lead because the Spirit came “upon” him! Similarly with other Old Testament figures – the Spirit came upon David when Samuel laid hands upon him, poured oil upon him and the Spirit came upon him. He became a great leader. You remember Elisha said to Elijah; “I must have the Spirit that is upon you if I am to fulfil the ministry”. So the concept of being anointed with the Spirit in order to do what God wants us to do is a very established principle routed in the Old Testament and then there comes a time in the Old Testament hinted at in Isaiah but more explicitly mentioned in Joel where God says, “I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh, your sons and your daughters shall prophesy – your old men and your young men shall see visions”. Now that was totally new.

In the Old Testament the outpouring of the Spirit tended to be on individuals usually people with particular ministries like anointed to be king, anointed to be prophet, even priests had anointing oil to be put upon them – so anointing tended to be associated with special tasks. Now Joel is saying that a day is coming when the Spirit is poured out widely, indiscriminately, old and young, male and female. There is going to be an amazing outpouring of the Spirit which will be unlike anything that had happened before. The nearest thing you can get to it before was when Moses said, “I can’t handle this whole job alone” and God said that he should choose 70 other guys and the 70 would come and it is said that they prophesied. It is a kind of miniature Pentecost back there in the Old Testament – an example coming of the Spirit coming on a group. So it is always important to know what would have been in their minds hearing something. When Jesus said them, “Wait until you receive power from on high” you have got to think what would have been in their minds. What would have been in their minds was “Well we know that happened before – that’s happened many times when the Spirit has come upon people and they have performed ministry”. Even Jesus Himself for 30 years was without this powerful anointing that came upon Him at His baptism. It is hard for us to think about Jesus without anything. But the Bible says that when He was baptised the Holy Spirit came “upon” Him and then He declared in Luke 4 that, “The Spirit of the Lord is upon Me because He has anointed Me to preach, to bring deliverance etc”.

So Jesus Himself was anointed with the Spirit’s power and He said to the apostles, “Now you wait until you are endued with power from on high”. Jesus is telling these people to get ready to wait. John the Baptist actually introduced Jesus in these terms. It is reported in every Gospel and he introduced Jesus in two ways; “He is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world” and then he said, “I baptise you with water but there is One coming after me and He will baptise you with the Holy Spirit and fire”. So Jesus was introduced as the One who will baptise with the Holy Spirit. David Pawson in his very helpful book, “Jesus Baptises in One Holy Spirit” says this that when John the Baptist actually made that declaration probably the word “the” would not have been understood by the people and the word “the” doesn’t have to be translated in Greek. They would probably have not had a developed Trinitarian understanding. So He would have said, “He will baptise you in Holy Spirit” or “Holy power”. Then Pawson says also that word “baptise” for us has a kind of religious feel for us. It isn’t a word we tend to use in any other context when we say “baptise” we being fairly religious know what we are talking about. Baptism has certain connotations for us. He said that if you need another word, you could use the word “drench”. So what Pawson said very helpfully is that John the Baptist preached saying, “I have baptised you in water. I have drenched you in water for the forgiveness of your sins. If you are a sinner and you are coming to John and he says, “Repent and change your life” – it is great to hear that I can have my past dealt with! Thank God for a forgiven past! He says, “I will drench you in water for the forgiveness of your sins”. Thank God my past is being dealt with. But how will I live for the future? How will I live a new style life? John the Baptist says – listen, there is someone coming after me who will drench you in holy power. That sounds better doesn’t it than ‘He will baptise you in the Holy Spirit’? He will drench you in holy power! It sounds a good deal to me!

I know when I was first saved in my teenage years and was struggling to know how to live this kind of life coming from a non-Christian background and a very worldly lifestyle. I thought how do you actually live this new life? I was very much needing to get drenched in some holy power to change my life. Here Jesus is promising us that we can get drenched in holy power. Hallelujah! So let’s quickly look – I am going to take you through the book of Acts to see what took place. Jesus promised them that they would receive power when the Holy Spirit came upon them. That’s what we read initially in Acts 1:8. So we know the apostles and others were waiting for this event – this coming of power that was going to take place. They were waiting and I am sure we are very familiar with this passage so I won’t go into loads of detail but just read the opening verses of Acts 2;

“When the Day of Pentecost had come they were altogether in one place. Suddenly there came a sound from heaven, a noise like the sound of a violent rushing wind and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. There appeared to them tongues as of fire distributing themselves and resting on each of them and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues as the Spirit was giving them utterance”.

Suddenly the Spirit came upon them! Suddenly this enduing of power which took place as recorded there in Acts 2 and with that some fairly unique things took place. Wind-fire but they also knew this new language which they began to speak and we are familiar with what happened next. They burst out from wherever they were to the streets. Thousands gathered and they began to preach the gospel. Some people used to think that the speaking in new languages was for preaching. It is quite clear that the speaking in new languages gathered the crowds and then Peter stood up and preached presumably in Aramaic, maybe in Greek, a language that they were all able to comprehend, get hold of and they were cut to their heart. When they heard the people speak in other tongues they said, “Wow the wonderful mysteries of God” because they recognised their languages but when Peter preached they were cut to the heart in a language that they could understand and was preaching the Gospel.

So on the Day of Pentecost the Spirit fell on these disciples who were told to wait for the promise of the Spirit. I will quickly show you some five areas where the Spirit is freshly given, then some common features and bring from that a summary that I believe will help us this afternoon. 1. 120 in the Upper Room were filled with the Holy Spirit. I would say that they were already children of God. They were already believers – they believed in Him but this subsequently was an enduing with power for ministry. Acts 8 – 2. You will find the next clear outpouring of the Spirit when Philip the evangelist went down to Samaria. It says in Acts 8:12;

“Then they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the Name of Jesus Christ and they were being baptised men and women alike”.

So here were people saved through the gospel preaching of the evangelist Philip. Their testimony if they had given it was that we were saved when Philip preached about the Name of Jesus and the kingdom of God. We were baptised to demonstrate the reality of our conversion. We were now believers. But then it says in (v14);

“When the apostles heard that Samaria had received the Word of God that they sent down Peter and John down to them who prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit for He had not yet fallen on any of them. They had simply been baptised in the Name of Jesus and began laying hands on them and they were receiving the Holy Spirit. Now when Simon saw that the Holy Spirit was bestowed through the laying on of the apostles hands he offered them money”.

We won’t get into Simon – it is a bit of a side track but here is the simple fact. Some people were evangelised, converted, baptised but had not yet received the Spirit. So the apostles went down, laid their hands on them and the Spirit came upon them. Their testimony now would have been saved through Philip’s preaching, subsequently received the Holy Spirit when Peter and John laid their hands on them. There is no reference there to them speaking with tongues, no wind, no fire – something happened that Simon the sorcerer was impacted by and was willing to pay money that he might be able to do this. So we are not talking about something that is simply in the mind. It isn’t something where they said, “Oh thank you very much”. I don’t think Simon would have paid much money for that. He was a magician and was used to seeing some power around and here he saw something that made him willing to pay money for it. There Acts 8 at Samaria – the coming of the Spirit.

3. Then in Acts 9 you see Paul’s conversion. Paul gives testimony to his conversion twice in the book of Acts. He always refers to what happened on the Damascus Road. That was his conversion. He saw the Lord and God commissioned him. God who commanded light to shine in darkness shone into his heart and he was soundly converted on the Damascus Road. No question. But then you will find in (v17) of Acts 9 that Ananias (whoever he was – we really don’t know) entered the house and after laying hands on Paul or Saul and said, “Brother Saul”. You see he is calling him a brother – he is a Christian brother. “Brother Saul the Lord Jesus who appeared to you on the road on which you were coming has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit”. So Paul got filled with the Spirit three days after his conversion. He was converted on the Damascus Road, led away blinded by the light, Ananias comes subsequently to lay hands upon him for his sight and also that he might be filled with the Spirit. Notice incidentally that Ananias didn’t say that you need to go and pray and find some Upper Room somewhere and wait. He just laid hands on him and immediately the Spirit came upon him. 4. Next Acts 10. We have done three – two to go. Acts 10. Again I am taking some background for granted. I expect you to know these stories. Peter went somewhat reluctantly to the home of Cornelius who was a Gentile and preached the Gospel in that home. It says, (v46);

“While he was preaching the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. All the circumcised believers who had come with Peter were amazed because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also for they heard them speaking with tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, surely no one can refuse water for these to be baptised who have received the Holy Spirit just as we did. And he ordered them to be baptised”.

So this is a different kind of style. Here he is still preaching and while he is preaching I guess he said enough (if you look at the context you will find that he has preached about Jesus – he has given them the essential content of the gospel) and I guess people were beginning to believe and as he was still speaking the Spirit fell and they began speaking with tongues. No laying on of hands – no delay. He hasn’t even finished preaching and the Spirit fell. 5. Then lastly Acts chapter 19. In doing this I am showing you every place that the book of Acts records a fresh outpouring of the Holy Spirit. These are all the places where that is recorded. In Acts 19 you will find that Paul arrives at Ephesus and there he asks some disciples (they are so called in verse 1) “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” or “Have you received the Spirit since you believed?” – it depends which translation you are reading from. I don’t particularly want to press that point one way or another. The question is – do you have the Spirit?

They said “No – we have never even heard that there is a Holy Spirit”. He says to them (v3) “Into what then were you baptised?”. He is confused because he took them to be disciples and so how come you don’t know what’s going on? So he asks them what they were baptised into. They said John’s baptism. Now which John was that? John the Baptist. So Paul says, “John baptised with a baptism of repentance telling the people to believe in Him who is coming after him – that is Jesus”. In other words these were disciples of John the Baptist so far. He thought they were Christian but they plainly say that they only have known John’s baptism. You remember that all Judea went out to hear John. He had his own disciples and here are people who have only had John’s baptism thus far. So Paul immediately tells them about Jesus at the end of verse 4. So in other words he preaches the gospel and tells them about Jesus. When they heard this (v5) they were baptised in the Name of the Lord Jesus. In other words they are now believing in Jesus and he has led them to Jesus! Because they have now come to Jesus he baptises them in water. He brings them right through just like some of the early followers of John the Baptist like Andrew and others had come to John the Baptist and had no doubt been baptised by him but subsequently came to Jesus. So here we find these guys who had heard John the Baptists message and came to hear about Jesus and are immediately baptised by Paul. Then (v6) you almost get the context that they are still dripping with water when Paul laid hands on them the Holy Spirit came on them and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying. So here on the same day they are converted and then subsequently have hands laid on them to receive the Spirit after which they begin speaking with tongues. So two stages but in one day.

Summary of Various Positions.
Now I would like to sum up some of these. Just to try and sum up – when I was first saved I must confess I went through a pretty bad time for four years. Very backslidden. I knew I was born again no question but I was often very defeated and certainly lacked courage to be a witness about Jesus. I could not find freedom to say “Jesus is the answer to your need”. I really didn’t tell anyone and was a secret Christian behind closed doors as Duncan Watkinson said. I knew limitations and I knew defeat. About four or five years later I met a Pentecostal guy. Before I met him I was getting very hungry thinking, “Surely there is more for me”. I began to read books and testimonies. I didn’t know quite what was more but I could see that the apostles seemed to have more. Now at that time there seemed to be two or three teachings about the Holy Spirit. The main one in those days was that everything that is going, you got at conversion. You had received it. You just grow gradually and you get more and more full of the Spirit as you grow in the Christian life. Men like John Stott who I had very great respect for would teach that, that you just grow in the Spirit and you just gradually grow. Then I went to the Keswick Convention and the Keswick Convention seemed to be saying that there is a second kind of blessing but it comes with sanctification and maturity. It is like a later crisis when you are much older in God and as you get more mature you will get full of the Spirit. It is for the mature – those walking with God for some years.

So some were saying that you got everything at conversion and grow gradually and others were saying, no there is more but it is for mature believers and you can have that later. Now I was desperate for something now please! Then I met this Pentecostal guy and he said, “What you need is to be baptised in the Spirit”. I said, “Whatever you call it – I want it!”. I was hungry but very confused reading different books that seemed to be saying different things and I found that undermined my faith a bit. That’s why I wanted to take time here today to explain it from the Bible.

“It Happens at Conversion”.
Now just to go back to those teachings: The teaching that says you have received everything at conversion automatically simply doesn’t seem to stand up to several of those passages that I have read. Certainly the apostles themselves had not received everything. They had to wait for power from on high. Jesus explicitly told them. Paul on the Damascus Road did not receive everything automatically and Ananias had to lay hands on him three days later. It was not automatic. If I said to a guy from Samaria, “Come up and give your testimony” he would have to say, “I was saved when Philip preached and then a few days later the news got down to Jerusalem and Peter and John came up then we received the Holy Spirit”. To say that it is definite or automatic, that once you are born again you have received everything does not stand up to Scripture. It simply doesn’t! So the first teaching that says you have automatically received everything at conversion is not what happened in the book of Acts. It did happen in Cornelius’s household! The Spirit came upon them immediately and I will come back to that in a moment. There is the possibility of it but it doesn’t automatically happen. I am not saying that you can’t be filled with the Spirit from day one or from the first moment – it is possible but it is not automatic. We need to know whether we have received or not. So the first teaching that was given was that you must accept that you already have it – which wasn’t good news for me. I felt I wanted something more.

“Keswick Teaching”.
The second teaching which was that when you are much more mature as a Christian you will have another experience. Maybe you have been walking with God for years and come to a crisis of freshly handing your life over to God and in those sort of Keswick teachings you will see loads of illustrations about glasses that are full of stuff and you have to empty it out in order to be filled with God. I would say that it is muddled with sanctification teaching. If you empty out your old life then God will fill you. It is a matter of devotion, yielding a second time to God. Well I am afraid that again that just doesn’t stand up to Scripture because that isn’t what Peter and John when they went down to Samaria did. They just said, “You haven’t received the Spirit” and laid hands on these guys who had been saved a few days. They were not now amazingly mature and having a crisis of handing over their lives in a new deep profound way. They were just lacking the Spirit so he lays hands on them. In Cornelius’s house Peter can’t even finish his sermon and the Spirit is on them. So the concept that you have to wait a long time doesn’t quite stand up even when Paul comes to Ephesus and explains to them about Christ and baptises them, then laying hands on them – there is no question about them being told about a later experience off in the future. He lays hands on them immediately and they receive the Spirit. It is for them – immediately. Immediately! It is available.

I remember when I was teaching in Hove Town Hall. My home town is Brighton and Hove – they are like two towns as one. We used put on celebrations and I remember very well when a girl responded to the gospel one night there and got saved. She was a student and I led her to Christ and she was born again. It was very exciting and she said, “There is more here isn’t there. There is a kind of power in this place”. I said, “Yes that’s true”. She said, “Can I receive this?”. I said, “I tell you what – come to my home next weekend and I will tell you more”. So I made arrangement for her to come and the following weekend (her name was Celia) she came to my home and she came with her roommate. Her roommate was not yet a Christian and she said, “This is my roommate and I think she wants to become a Christian”. So she said, “Yes what happened to her?!”. So I explained to the second girl about becoming a Christian and she was born again and she received Christ. Then Celia said, “I really came here to be prayed for to receive the Holy Spirit”. So I went through the stuff I am going through with you now. At the end of my time with them, she said “Well can I receive then?”. She had been saved a week. I said, “Of course!”. Then the other girl who had been saved 20 minutes now said, “Well what about me?”. With this passage open I said of course! So I explained about the laying on of hands and they said sure yes please! So I laid hands on them and they both immediately received the Spirit, both immediately started singing in tongues with one being saved a week and one 20 minutes. So the gift is immediately available! You don’t have to think that this is for the very holy or sanctified. No! This girl had been 20 minutes saved!

The gift is for every one of us and that is what Peter preached on the Day of Pentecost. He stood there and said, “The promise is for you and for your children and as many as the Lord our God has called”. The promise of the Spirit is for everyone who has been called. So the promise is not down the road, have you proved yourself, are you holy enough. Sometimes I hear people who have been prayed for and they get a bit passive (which I will deal with in a minute) and they say, “Oh perhaps I am not ready yet”. Well that is not a Biblical concept. Or “perhaps God doesn’t want me to have the Holy Spirit”. No that isn’t biblical! God wants you filled with the Spirit! In fact He says in Ephesians 5, “Be filled with the Spirit”. It is like a command. Be filled! So let’s not have in our minds that I am perhaps not holy enough or not been a Christian long enough or it isn’t for me. It is for everyone! If you are saved then it is for you. Even if you are not saved and would like to be saved then it is for you. So the promise of the Spirit is freely available. You don’t have to wait.

You might say, “Well wait a minute – isn’t that the very opposite of what Jesus said? Terry – you are saying that we don’t have to wait. Jesus said wait!”. Well let’s just think about that. Jesus did say to these men, “Wait in Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high”. So to understand that verse I would like you to turn to John 7:37. It says there that on a particular feast day when they would pour out water ceremonially because they were celebrating the fact that God gave them water in their journey through the wilderness Jesus pushed though the crowd and shouted out, “If anyone is thirsty let him come to Me and drink”. But if you had gone forward that day He would have said, “Well not yet” because the verse goes on;

“This He spoke of concerning the Spirit which those who believed in Him were to receive. But the Spirit was not yet given because Jesus was not yet glorified”.

The Spirit was not yet given – why? Because they were not yet holy enough. They had not yet proven themselves enough. No – nothing to do with them! He didn’t tell them to wait because they weren’t ready. He told them to wait because He wasn’t yet ready. That is very important especially when some of us feel that we are not ready yet. That isn’t even the issue. He says to them if you are thirsty come to Me and drink – this He spoke of the Spirit which those who believed in Him were to receive. But the Spirit was not yet given because He was not yet ready – because He was not yet glorified. The fact is that now He is glorified! He was speaking of what He was to experience in the Cross and then also the Resurrection and particularly the Ascension. He is glorified! Come to Me and drink – but not yet! Now on the Day of Pentecost Peter effectively preached on this verse almost. Peter stood publicly and said, “This Jesus whom you crucified, God has now raised up of whom we are witnesses and He now, ascended to the Father and has shed forth this which you now see and hear”. He IS now glorified! He has now fulfilled the “not yet” clause. If He is now glorified then this text is up to date! So now we can come to this text without the “not yet” clause that the apostles had. The apostles were told to “wait until”. Not until they had prayed long enough in the Upper Room. That wasn’t the point. It was until the Day of Pentecost had come and so the outpouring of the Spirit would fulfil all sorts of Old Testament types about harvest.

Now He has ascended and the Spirit is available! The Spirit is available now – you can receive the Spirit now just like this girl I prayed for. She received and had believed for 20 minutes. You can receive before you leave this shed this afternoon. I say that with all confidence. You can receive the Holy Spirit this afternoon – I know it! Now what does it say in the verse? 1. It says if anyone is thirsty. It doesn’t say if anyone is mature or holy. It says if anyone is thirsty. That’s all you have to be – thirsty. You are demonstrating some kind of thirst by being here this afternoon. That is the only thing. That’s what Jesus said. The other idea is that if you do well then you will get the Holy Spirit later. It is rather like a general of an army saying – now you go out and fight and if you do well you can have a gun next time. It is crazy! We need guns now! We need the Spirit as soon as possible!

So if anyone is thirsty then what? 2. Come to Jesus. I want to invite any of you who want to be prayed for this afternoon in a few moments to come to Jesus. I will probably also invite you to come to some place. Maybe the front up here. But if we are coming to have the laying on of hands (which I have shown you is a biblical concept – the laying on of hands is biblical) as you come to have hands laid on – you are coming to Jesus. Now I say that because when I was younger I went to a church where I was told, “That guy will pray for you”. I went to a special meeting one Sunday afternoon and he went round the circle. As he went round the circle they got very happy! I thought, “Wow here he comes” and as he got to me I felt his hand on my head and he prayed a prayer and guess what I felt? I felt a hand on my head. That was it – nothing less, nothing more. After he had prayed his prayer he moved on to the next guy and I was devastated. Because I had thought fireworks were coming and then nothing! I believe what happened to me at that very moment was that I got my eyes on a specialist man who would do it for me, who would wave the wand over me. But Jesus said, “Come to Me and drink”. So in a moment when I invite you to come and be prayed for I want you to remember in your heart that you are coming to Jesus to drink. I am not coming to a specialist – I am coming to Jesus although the laying on of hands is biblical whether it is Peter and John or Ananias – it doesn’t matter whose hands, we are coming to Jesus. It’s biblical!

Then it says, 3. And Drink. It doesn’t say come and plead, come and cry, come and wait. It says come and drink. Drinking means receive. Come and receive. He that believes in Me is the next phrase. In other words Galatians 3 says that we receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. We must believe in Him. We come to drink. He has promised to give the Spirit to those who ask so we must come believing that He will give. Some of you may remember the day or night that you got saved. You came and believed. You said, “Lord I ask you – come into my life”. Maybe you have done that quite recently. It is the same kind of thing – we come to Him expecting Him to do what He promised to do. He will give the Spirit to those who ask. Luke 11 says if we who are evil know how to give good gifts to our children how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask. So we come asking expecting to receive. He that believes in Me out of his heart shall flow rivers of living water. This He spoke concerning the Spirit. There is a flowing out, an overflow of the Spirit. He will begin to flow out of us and it is simple – we just come and drink!

I remember years ago I was talking to a couple of friends of mine and the husband had recently been converted. They asked me about being filled with the Spirit so I went to their home and we were sitting talking and the husband said to the wife, “Could we have some coffee?”. So she went to the kitchen to get some coffee and after a few minutes she ran back in saying, “It’s wonderful! It’s wonderful!”. She had received in the kitchen! She had understood enough and said, “Please Lord!” and got hit in the kitchen! She is overwhelmed with God – “he that believes”. I didn’t even get to lay hands on her! The Spirit came upon her. I have prayed with groups and you are going round the circle laying hands over here and someone starts speaking in tongues down here. It is not that there is some kind of particular thing … God just comes! Come and drink come and receive, come and take. Out of his heart shall flow rivers of living water, this He spoke of concerning the Spirit. I prayed for one lady and had to go to the station to collect someone just after I had prayed for her. I said, “Wait on God and pray”. When I got back she was speaking in tongues like mad and she said, “It is like rivers of living water flowing from within my inner man”. So I said, “I’m not sure that’s what that verse means” but I do want to say a few words about tongues.



Tongues
Speaking in tongues or in unlearned languages is often referred to at the time of the giving of the Spirit. In the passages that I have read out to you, you will find that speaking in tongues frequently occurs. Now it would not be right to argue that you must speak in tongues to demonstrate that you have been filled with the Spirit. That would be going beyond what the Scripture says – the Scripture never says that. But it is often there. It is there more than it isn’t! So when I lay hands on people for the filling of the Spirit I expect them to speak with tongues because it seems to be fairly normal but I don’t get uptight if they don’t because it doesn’t say that they did every time. So my expectation is that they will but if they don’t it isn’t the biggest deal. What we find is that when this girl said speaking in tongues is like a river flowing from the inside, I would like to say some things about tongues and I would like to encourage you that if you would like to be prayed for to expect to speak with tongues. It is what happens most often. It is you who speak with tongues – it isn’t God. God doesn’t speak in tongues – you do. Sometimes when one prays for people you can take on passive mode and don’t speak with tongues. The Bible says, “They spoke with tongues”. They did it! Let me put it this way; if you don’t speak with tongues, you won’t speak with tongues. Let me say that again because it’s very simple but very true. If you don’t speak with tongues, then you won’t speak with tongues. You do it! God doesn’t do it for you. Paul says in 1 Corinthians, “I will pray with my spirit, I will pray with understanding”. That reference, “with my spirit” in context is clearly talking about tongues. I will do it. I will pray with tongues – I will pray with my mind.

That brings me to my second point. When I pray with tongues, it says in 1 Corinthians that my mind is unfruitful. It is my spirit that prays. In other words when someone speaks in tongues they are not engaging the intellect. Their spirit prays without using the intellect. That is the whole point that you are getting into another way of expressing worship to God. Like sometimes melody lifts you out in expressing worship to God as such intellect – intellect is another sphere to melody. So speaking in tongues is like Charles Wesley saying, “Oh for a thousand tongues to sing my Great Redeemer’s praise”. I wish I had something else to say! Sometimes people say that they don’t know what to say in prayer. Well it says in Romans 8 that the Spirit prays through us and for us when we are limited. The Spirit is expressing things which are not coming from our mind. Sometimes when people begin to speak in tongues they start listening and sometimes start analysing. They think, “I wonder what I’m saying” and instead of worshipping they become somewhat preoccupied and distracted and even say things like, “I think I am just saying that”. Now I got baptised in 1962 and it is now 1999 and I have laid hands on thousands of people over the years and I have heard so many say, “I think I am just saying things”. I wonder whether it is a law that people say that. That happened to me! When they laid hands on me and nothing happened they said, “Just praise God” and I said, “What for?”. “Do you believe the promise? Have you come and drank?”. I was struggling and I think I was probably the most difficult case that there ever was. I argued and didn’t want to make anything up. I am very sympathetic with people because I was there. I too didn’t want just sounds. But the problem is when we start listening and analysing and instead of speaking to God we are speaking to our ear. “Wonder what that is?”. I want to encourage you – your mind will not understand and remember what it says in Luke 11. If we ask for fishes will He give us a serpent? If we ask for bread will He give us a stone? We must have a faith element, “Lord I am asking you and I am believing you”.

Then as we receive we begin to speak. I understand that 65 of the 14/15 year old kids received the Spirit and spoke in tongues. 65 of them! Just received and spoke. That is only the ones who knew they received – that was yesterday here on the Stoneleigh site. God gives that gift and you do the speaking. You do it. If you say you are waiting for God then He won’t do it. You do it. It is like many of the miracles in the Bible you will find that there is that initial step that comes from you. You will find that Joshua is told to shout at the Jericho wall and it will fall down. I think I would have said to God, You make it fall down and then I will shout as much as You like! But they had to walk around it and then down it came. Do you remember that they were told to fill up the water pots and then go and pour out wine. It was the pouring out I believe.

The illustration in the Old Testament of the woman who ran out of oil was told to go and collect the vessels and then had to pour out the little amount of oil that she had in that vessel. Little oil and into as many pots as she wanted to. Now the temptation is to think that if I pour that oil out then it is only in that point and not in this. But the miracle isn’t that she sat there saying, “Come on oil” – the miracle came in the pouring. When she started, the oil kept coming. Speaking in tongues is like that. The miracle is that as you begin to speak God will give you the utterance.
So we don’t want to be passive. Jesus was walking on the water and Peter asked if he could come to him. He said, “If you want me to come to you”. Very smart statement! It is Jesus responsibility now. So Jesus said, “Come”. Now it is Peter’s responsibility. Peter didn’t sit in the boat and say “I am sure that it will come anytime now. Here it comes … here it comes … I am sure the spirit of walking on water will hit me anytime now”. It isn’t like that. He had to get out of the boat and trust himself into another dimension. He used his walking apparatus in another dimension. Speaking in tongues uses your speaking apparatus – tongues, teeth, lungs – and you speak in another dimension. A language you’ve never learned and you find yourself speaking it out. You don’t sit there thinking “I am waiting for God”. You begin to speak – God gives you the utterance. Some have said that they utter a few words and then stop. Actually what happens is that you run out of air! (*laughter*). Because I am speaking English and you are all used to this, you probably haven’t noticed that I keep stopping and filling my lungs and then go again. I keep exhausting my lungs but that do it again. I don’t stop when my lungs are full – I just do it again. People speaking in tongues do that and panic! No – just breathe in!

Now I spent some time on that because I know that so many people over the years have worried. I prayed with a lady at Hove Town Hall and she said to me, “I have been prayed with by so many people and have never received”. So I said, “May I speak with you for a little while”. She said, “Yes”. So I taught her how tongues works and asked if anyone had told her that before. She said, “No! I just thought it would happen”. I said, “Do you understand now?”. She said, “Oh yes!”. So I said, “Shall we pray now?”. “Yes please!”. BOOM! She’s away! Happy as Larry! God filled her with the Holy Spirit! Now she had been waiting for the moving of the water. Jesus said if anyone is thirsty then come to Me and drink! He that believes out of his heart shall flow rivers of living water. I want to encourage you if you want to come and be prayed for – we have ministry team and would love to pray for you. There is no reason why many will not receive. Today could be your day. Maybe you have had an experience with the Toronto move and are not sure where you are. I find my faith is more secure if I know this is Biblical. If I come from a certain line of teaching and are not sure that this is Biblical then it is not a good idea to just “see”. Faith doesn’t come from that. Faith comes from hearing the Word of God and thinking, yes I believe that! That is an honest interpretation of Scripture and I come to Jesus today. I will believe God and will receive. I have taken a long time because I believe that the more you have received in your understanding, the simpler it is to receive.

“Father I thank You that the promise is for everyone that the Lord our God shall call. We thank You that Peter could confidently say that the promise is for you. We thank You that Day of Pentecost that many thousands were baptised and received the promise of the Spirit. Lord we thank You for down through the centuries and especially in these last few decades millions are receiving the Spirit and launching into a dimension of charismatic gifts. Father we thank You for Your Presence right here and now and we ask You for clarity of thought and of faith for those who have come to drink this afternoon. Bless us now as we are before You in Jesus Name. Amen”.